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Podcasts - A Couple of Cold Ones - September 16, 2012

This episode the Top 5, Kate Middleton topless, that anti-Muslim trailer, Leon gets attacked for video game comment, and Tweets and Email.

Tags: acoco, korey, carlyle, podcast, spill, spill.com, box office, top 5, movies, kate middleton

245 Comments for A Couple of Cold Ones - September 16, 2012

September 28, 2012 at 3:59 AM, said ...

Ahahaha making fun of that guy with the shitty grammar was fucked up but i haven't laughed so hard in a fuckin' while
September 23, 2012 at 7:28 PM, B.Bally said ...

When it comes to live action video game based movies, the film adaptation of the Yakuza (translation of actual name: Like a Dragon) directed by Takashi Miike is supposed to be at least decent. Then again (with exception of the non-canon Zombie shooter spinoff), the Yakuza games have simple storylines when compared to something like Resident Evil.
September 23, 2012 at 11:55 AM, said ...

its Ganesha not Ganesh and he's not a she. and i don't think anyone made a big fuss about it because one i doubt many have seen it (i only know of the picture because you guys) and 2. one of precepts is what is is. most likely any hindu who saw it thought what i did, "disgusting americans" and went on about their life. if you talk about it more and start spreading the existence of the picture you doing exactly what the artist wanted which is making him/her famous and keeping something so vile in circulation, its best to ignore it and it will disappear in time but that doesn't mean doesnt offend anyone
September 23, 2012 at 9:51 AM, JiggyPop said ...

Leon I agree with you, i got your back(sort of).

Yeah I'm a gamer, born in 1987 lived through NES, SNES, PSX, N64, NGC, Wii, 360, PS3 and most handhelds....Video Games are not art, nowhere near it. They're Design. The reason why is they're still games, there has been no moment of transcendence. They have not become more than what they are in the years they been around as opposed all other art forms.

Film was initially was a cheaper way to show plays and other live performances, it became film as we know it when film makers experimented with early forms of editing thus becoming the modern language of film making began, as its own art form.

Literature and Visual Art were initially for the sole purpose of recording and articulating information and messages. Comics evolved from illustration as an attempt to articulate information more visually to a largely illiterate population and for illustrators to get paid more per image.

The performing arts were born out social rituals and sympathetic magic and the need to communicate emotions on a collective level.

When all these mediums were made the "inventors" were solving a core problem, communication: "how do I articulate this to other people or more people?" and through curiosity and experimentation found the art in each respective medium.

Games are simply games. Sure, they've gotten more spectacular and complicated, but they are still games. Yeah they have artists and illustrators work on elements of the games and artists have used game as subject matter in high and low brow art(Sleeping Mario & Marco Brambillia's work are good examples of this), but that's like saying if you hang a painting in a hospital, it makes the hospital art. If that's the case, games can only be art by association? if so, then games are not art.

Art does not equal work, there's no quota of man hours you have to clock in to be an artist. Art does not equal skill either as you don't have to be a good artist to make good art. In art your trying to articulate something internal for the ultimate goal of beauty(in the broadest sense of the word), not to function or win.

In games your trying to "win", your fulfilling a base need to act no different than a sport. Saying Flower is art is like saying jogging is art. You can jog as long as you want, you can take the most scenic route available. there is a subjective narrative arc in jogging if your reflect on the jog. there is still a point B to be actively be obtained, which is up to you.

The story telling in VGs is a merely a justification for the game-play, it more set dressing then a true story. Snake is a spy because game's design demands him to be that way since it's a stealth game. Even in more open ended games, like Red Dead the world demands you do various things to achieve the many goals through the illusion of choice; it a game with points A-Bs-A. you start a point A and can go to one of many point Bs which lead back to point A and the reward is more point Bs.

Even the criticism of games is not focused on the aesthetic, it asks the question "does this function?". a redundant critique on GT and other VG review sites is the lack of online features, this is not a critique of aesthetic value, this a critique of convenience and more in line with a product review.

Now I do appreciate games as unique melding of sports and design, the designers behind them are ingenious and put together great games. Sure the storytelling is still lousy/non-existent, but I appreciate them on the grounds that they can build an engaging fields of play or competition. Miyamoto, Levine, Schaffer, and Notch have more in common with designers like Karim Rashad, Ray and Charles Eames, Philippe Stark, and Massimo Vignelli than they do Picasso, Lenora Carrington, Lee Bontecou, and Andy Warhol or any other artist.
September 22, 2012 at 1:28 AM, said ...

ACOCO you guys rock keep up the good shit!
September 21, 2012 at 7:46 AM, said ...

LEON, what was the movie that you couldn't remember that had A LARGE ensemble cast that actually worked from earlier this year?? Was it The Avengers?
September 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Timmy Cupcakes said ...

I gotta say, Lee was great on the mic. Much like Mr. Pretty Tony (who has been great in the past as well), he knew when to chime in and when to stay silent. When he did contribute it ended up really adding to the discussion and/or making me laugh. Great job dude.

The only problem I had with Lee is everytime Korey says his name I keep expecting it to be followed with "on". So I propose that if and when you have Lee back on, we have to give him an alias...............jsut kidding.
September 20, 2012 at 3:17 AM, zachary john patterson said ...

That Lee guy is so much like Co-Host 3000. Close in voice but even closer in personality.

Did you buy him from the same manufacturer?
September 19, 2012 at 7:52 PM, said ...

I am a newbie here and I heard the show and it was funny as hell. This is my kind of talk show here and tell my boss LEE to stop out shit talking me,damn.
September 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Leon said ...

@MNTF Normally I dismiss a post immediately when it's as long as your, but I greatly appreciate everything you wrote. Thank you.
September 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM, said ...

Hi guys, love the podcast and all of the shows on the site. A real amazing work.

This is the first time I've commented on the site cause I never saw a reason why I should talk about something that's already been discussed at length. But, I just couldn't stop thinking of the subject matter that was talked about during this podcast in regards to the recent riots in the Middle East and just wanted to get this out of my mind. So, here's my input on the matter.

First of, a disclaimer. I am a Muslim. (don't worry!! Im not gonna harm anyone, I'm not gonna blowup the site or take hostages!!!.... Yet?! :p). I'm also from the middle east so double the fun! lol (bad jokes I know) Also, this comment is not just directed at you guys, it's for everyone on the site to read and get it from the middle eastern boy who lives in the desert with in a tent and gets good internet resorption :p.

But all jokes aside and lets get to the cream and butter. I'm so happy that you guys are openminded and on middle grounds regarding this matter. I agree with everything you've said; from the riots to the tragic death of everyone. It was uncalled for at all, even if it was from a "provocative political film" (as described by the director). And the reasoning you've given for the riot is true regarding that the nations that this accord in have to do something about it. Id like to add that theses nations just got out of a revelation and still unstable. The majority of the rioters (and the people who did the killings) are extrimist militias that were lookin for an oppritonity to attack; the film was the prefect trigger. And so we had this happen. In fact, some of the protesters (emphasizing the word protesters who were protesting for more stability) tried to save the people in the embassy. But unfortunately, they did not succeed.

I can assure everyone that this was the work of just a very micro grop of radical gangs that are scattered accrose the middle east with political agendas and not the majority. But unfurtunatly, thay are the loudest as said in the podcast. Of course, there should be more control on them (putting them on a leash for exsmple), but we are talking about countries that are still unstable, without a strong government, and with people who have lost hope. If you go to other middle eastern countries that are stable right now you'll never find any riots of that sort (like nothing happened). Not trying to undermined any of the unstable countries, but that's the truth, what I'm saying is stability creates better control.

Now I'm not gonna lie, I've heard of the film and saw the trailer. I felt angry and insulted. But I never thought of going out on the street and killing the first white person I saw. What I did was calm down, be civil, pray for the best, and explain to everyone why this film is wrong in every way. The majority of Muslims around the world has done the same, and the minority extremist gone crazy; which has made the matters worst, as we all know, media loves crazy and it made sure that the crazy "exciting" is loud and the civil "boring" does not exist.

I know also that the majority of the people in the US are not with this film's ideas and ideology; only a minority is. I use to live in the US for a while and know that it's an openminded country. But like every place, there are the corners where the rotten apples are that give a bad image to the rest of the country (like the people who made this film). This can be in any country in the world. Like the middle east, rotten apples can be found, which are never the representation of the area. they just stink worst than others I guess.

I know this comment has gone way to long. I just wanted to say thank you for keeping an open mind on the subject. It saddens me more than anyone that this had happened as it again tarnished the image of Islam and Muslims across the world. I just want to emphasize that these riots were done by a minority that is not, never been, and never will be part of Islam or Muslims; just the doing of a bunch of radical extremist that want the world to work according to their ideas.
September 19, 2012 at 1:41 PM, said ...

The show was hilarious guys but the conversation about free speech sounds wrong to me because you guys made the argument sounds so ignorant like you want free speech but without consequences wadafuqs up with that? Everything in life has consequences sure we can have free speech and other liberties but you want it and want to ignore the consequences? Free pass for people to act a fool? Its called consequences no matter how fucked up the reaction is there is always gonna be consequences. If you cant stand the outcome dont start anything nuff said
September 19, 2012 at 7:59 AM, said ...

loved the show hilarious as always but i do disagree with the storyline in bioshock being bad i though it was brilliant but its mostly told through recording you find and the dialogue and voice acting is brilliant in those sure it could have been told in a better way but i still thought it was brilliant other than that awesome show keep up the good work guys
September 19, 2012 at 4:28 AM, DeMarco Wynne said ...

Jovenza =
September 19, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Jovenza said ...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/
September 19, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Derek Jackson said ...

WE LOVE YOU DAD-er LEON!
September 19, 2012 at 3:32 AM, said ...
September 19, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Kyle Roger said ...

Jovenza will be fine because there's no Muhammad illustrated. It's aaaallll goood.
September 19, 2012 at 3:24 AM, said ...

Holy shit Jovenze ahahahah someone is getting banned.
September 19, 2012 at 1:33 AM, said ...
September 19, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Avenger said ...

@Kenny Mars, I was thinking the same thing about Lee and Co-Host.

I dunno if this has been answered yet, but Leon, were you thinking of Greg Horn when Greg Land's name came up. Because he does paint all his work.
September 19, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Grant Ellison McGee said ...

Dude, Lee was fucking hysterical!

Korey, Leon, you gotta have that motherfucker back on sometime.
September 18, 2012 at 11:47 PM, said ...

Lee sounds a little bit like Co-Host. They both are half-asian aren't they? Is it possible Lee and Co-Host share a certain Japanese father... uncle?... or maybe grandfather?... great uncle? Long last brothers-in-arms!

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Also, I think we should lay off trying to convince Leon that video games are as par to story as books or movies and to stop ostracizing him for not having the same fondness for video games like the rest of us gamers. I remember my childhood; I played lots of video games as a kid and teen, and that certain childhood fondness travels into adulthood. Maybe Leon didn't have a childhood that involved lots of video games? Maybe he was born a bit earlier than Korey and that gap of years are enough to define two separate generations? I would imagine Leon as an OG. I don't try and make my father play video games or anything. Simply, maybe Leon's too old, too mature for video games.

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One more thing, Dr. Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist, and contributing theorist on String Theory, stated that humans could possibly reach 3 stages of Civilization:

Stage 1: A species is able to sustain its entire population with its planet's resources (solar, nuclear, wind, geothermal, tidal, etc.). A species is unified under one major government, or coalition of governments. A species has one dominant spoken language, and similar social structures. A species has advanced tremendously with science and technology;

Stage 2: A species is able to colonize other planets and to sustain its entire population with the resources of Stars (nuclear fission... yeah baby!) [at this point, the species cannot become extinct];

Stage 3: A species is able to explore the galaxies.

What's interesting, is that Dr. Kaku said we're at about stage 0.7. That means we're almost there, but a few things hold us back, such as fossil fuels, wars, but most prominently, terrorists. He elaborated by saying religious extremists are one of the major obstacles we as a human race must overcome to reach a Stage 1 Civilization. Religious extremists don't want to advance forward scientifically, technologically, nor socially. They want to live with centuries old dogmas and doctrines that do not fit in with modern and future times ahead. They want to live back in the 3rd century, and that thinking involves believing that violence in the name of their God is justified, and that is what is holding us back. That and also our dependencies on fossil fuels and other ignorant ideals and beliefs that lead to bloodshed, genocide, and other atrocities to our own species.
September 18, 2012 at 9:32 PM, said ...

@ Konrad R.

Yeah, its totally the Jew's fault that fundamentalist muslims are violent and crazy. If we would just let them wipe out Israel like their God commands they would totally become rational and secular. Quit making excuses for those fundamentalist barbarians. They are responsible for their actions not the pro-western Jews living in Israel.
September 18, 2012 at 9:01 PM, said ...

btw games with good story(deep story) from top of a head

RPG:Planescape Torment,Baldur Gate 2,Neverwinter Night 2,Knights of the old Republic 1&2,Mass Effect series,Dragon Age I,Fallout series,Gothic I & II

Strategy games:Starcraft,Heroes of might and magic III,Warcraft III

Adventure:Syberia I and II,The Longest Journey,Black Mirror,The Walking Dead the game,Fahrenheit

Action/Fps:Bioshock,Deus Ex,Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth,

That only tip of the Iceberg, i believe talented director can change them into movie or TV series, it work with comics (Kirkman Walking Dead) Books (Game of Thrones) it can also work with games

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