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February 14, 2013 at 3:11 AM, said ...
@Damien
Actually, you've done a great job of arguing the exact point that I was trying to make. You've decided that you know every side to this debate and that there are absolutes that are not worth examining from any other angle than 'right' or 'wrong'. If you go back and listen to my opinions on previous BS and Email Shows, Happy Hours, Call In Shows, or any time that this issue comes up, it should be absolutely crystal clear that I'm not in favor of excluding women from gaming.
All I've been saying here is that I think that these issues are too complex to be argued from an 'i'm right and you're wrong' point of view. On the other hand, you've implied that I'm a rape apologist, insinuated that I think that women's rights activists are 'asking for it', and generally portrayed me as a monster because I won't capitulate and agree with your point of view.
In your response to my previous comment you offered two extremely narrow reasons that someone might lash out at another human being. Don't you understand that that is the exact line of thinking that you are supposedly fighting against? In fact, all I'm asking for is the exact same consideration that Ms. Sarkeesian is advocating in her videos to be given to her detractors. Feminists want women to be portrayed as more than just stereotypical damsels, sex objects, or femme fatales. Those preconceptions are limiting to a group of human beings who are more complex than the narrow parameters of those tropes will allow. What I'm saying is that the exact same thing can be said about her detractors.
You seem to think that the people who are being vulgar or abusive in this debate need to shut up and go away. How often has that exact sentiment been levied against women's rights advocates? We're all people here and I'm trying to tell you that people are not as complicated as a) or b). People have good days and bad. People get frustrated and lose their cool. People say things that they regret. People will lash out at what they don't understand. People will fight back when they feel oppressed. People will do crazy things for dumb reasons... but they're still people.
At this point I feel like you're either going to think about what I've said or it doesn't matter anymore because you've mentally reduced me to mysoginist scum and therefore it doesn't matter what I say. However, before I check out of this thread, for good this time, let me leave you with a quote that may say more than I ever could:
"The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend."
-Abraham Lincoln
February 13, 2013 at 7:27 PM, said ...
I am fairly new here but could someone tell me where I would Email my questions or BS?
February 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Damocles said ...
@ Lady Stark
Thank you for giving an answer to my orginal question, sadly I still don't understand fully how they should be portrayed. Switching out a male character for a female character just for the sake of having more female characters doesn't seem genuine to me; more like pandering. I think if we had more roles/stories that are distinctly female (not really sure if I phrased that right) then we could see a stronger presence of women in games. Maybe you can recommend some books, or T.V shows that could help me better understand you point of view (although I realize it's not your responsibility to educate).
February 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM, said ...
Damn straight, Jeff! Anita Sarkeesian is a fucking idiot, and a pseudointellectual to boot.
February 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM, said ...
What the hell is going on in here?
February 13, 2013 at 11:34 AM, said ...
Sorry but the comments/attacks/petty arguments on ALL of the many pages of this are just too much. I come here for a games chat and conversation but not arguments and attacks.
February 13, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Julien Howard Hemmendinger said ...
Korey and Jason Dead Space 3 play through? Is that what you said!? =D
February 13, 2013 at 8:33 AM, The Real Scar Face said ...
@Professor Jeff
The statement: I don't believe that Ms. Sarkeesian is asking people to have a conversation about feminism or consider her point of view. Most of her videos end with what can be politely described as an edict. These edicts are smartly worded, very light, and may slip by many of her viewers, but they are not questions, they are commands. This is the part about her that bugs me more than anything. It's not so much her message, which in some cases I can agree with, it's the way that she frames the issue. I do not take favorably to those who tell me what to do and how to think no matter how glitzy the presentation. Personally, I'd much rather see her debate, answer questions from people who disagree with her, or engage in a more public sense rather than simply make declarative statements and dismissive faces.
I understand what you are saying. I do respect your opinions and that you took the time to address things. I think we can agree to disagree, and although I stand by my original opinion that’s she not a con artist or asshole, I feel like I have a better understanding of peoples’ dislike of her. Somethings people have brought up I do agree with, such as her having condescending tone, however I see enough value in what she does to overlook that.
The one thing I would like to point out though, is that many people did bring up the comments thing before on this tread. Many here expressed that they felt she manipulating things, because she disabled the comments for most of her other videos but not her kick starter video. I do get why they feel that way, but my opinion is that she felt the comment she received were a reflection of the comments female gamers receive from male gamers. So she wanted to show them, to show why her tropes vs. video games had value. I don’t consider that manipulation or "baiting" but to each their own. Also, I'd like to point out there is no proof that she spammed posted on 4chan, anyone could have posted as her.
I also think it would be better and more credible for her to engage in debates with people who disagree with her. However, she's not obligated to provide a place for people voice criticism and just because someone has valid criticisms with her arguments doesn’t mean they are entitled for her response. Perhaps she didn’t want comments or to engage in debate because she felt it wasn’t worth sorting through thousands of hate comments to get to the ones that were valid. Or maybe her haters are right and she’s a narcissist who only wants her opinions shown. Ultimately, it doesn't matter, because it’s her content and her youtube channel so she has the right to decide either way. If she’s loses viewers or credibility for it, that’s her problem, but it doesn’t justify the hatred for her (not your saying it does, but others have implied it).
A question: Some folks here have asked you what sort of game you would envision that would be more in line with your idea of a more positive female representation in modern entertainment. I looked through the responses, but I don't think I saw an answer. I would be very interested in your thoughts. I would be equally interested in any games that you feel already go in the right direction towards embodying what you see as the future of gender equality in modern entertainment. If none exist, how about any game that gets close and what it does right and wrong.
Keep in mind I can only speak for myself and I’m also rather new to games (why I listen to the podcast). However, what I would I like to see is more portrayals of different types of women. Most women in video games are white (or have white features) and very sexy. I don’t think there is anything wrong with these characters, in fact I love sexy women, but I think there is room for other types of female characters. Like more with realistic body measurements. More minority women would be awesome too. I also don’t want most female character to have no purpose besides being sexy or a ploy for men—yes, sometimes the story will call for that, but it shouldn’t be the default. Furthermore, I would like to see female characters not be made stupid or incompetent just so a male character can save her—again, I’m not saying all video games have to be this way, I understand some guys may want that for the fantasy aspect, I’d just like to see it less prominent.
This “wishlist” if you will, really goes for most other forms of media and doesn’t just apply to women, but other underrepresented groups. I actually don’t think videos games are any more problematic than many movies and TV show. However, I think the difference is video games are interactive so the troublesome aspects are felt more, if that makes sense. Plus there is the sexism women face from (mostly) male players that gives the issue more attention. In my opinion that’s a bigger issue than how women are actually portrayed in the games, and what may keep more women from becoming developers.
I haven’t played enough games to give you a clear example of what I think fits this mold or is at least heading in the right direction. I’m sure someone else here could, or perhaps some popped into your head. An example I can give from another media is Game of Thrones. The women are diverse (personality wise) and well rounded. Again this is just my opinion.
February 13, 2013 at 7:34 AM, said ...
@Damien The thing is that she was really just trying to stir up the pot just to get people to sympathize with her and to further her agenda. Now, I'm not saying that she deserved what was said to her but it seems as if that's was her plan. Like Professor Jeff said, she has been blocking comments and choosing which ones to show publicly so it brings out some frustration from people who want to be heard. How can people discuss things or debate if they can't even express their viewpoint without getting blocked? If you disagree then you're obviously a misogynist or sexist, which is what this argument has been coming to lately. We should be able to discuss and debate this without it being as if you are on one side or the other.
February 13, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Michael Giustini said ...
@ Professor Jeff
Could not have said it better myself. I don't necessarily disagree with what AS is saying, it's the way she is saying it that pissed me off. It's as if she is talking to us as if we are children, scolding us for our sexism and stating that we are wrong if we disagree with her, no matter what we have to say. Hers is not a democratic dialogue or share of ideas, hers is a condescending tirade, ignoring or insulting all those who dare contradict her. I understand some more childish people will insult her, but by censoring those people, she is also censoring smart people who have justified contradictions to her edicts. Until she decides to finnaly open a dialogue with other people, everything she does means nothing.
February 13, 2013 at 5:53 AM, said ...
@Lady Stark
A brief statement, a question.
There's a small part of me that thinks that we may all be on the same page already without even knowing it.
This is the last time for a while I'm going to talk about this topic. All I see in these comments is people who have an opinion about this issue that is unyielding and won't be swayed no matter what either 'side' says. The whole point of what I said on this show and what I wrote in the comments is that I don't think that these issues are simple enough to deal with in absolutes. That being said, I want to talk about this:
Even if you hate her and her message, you still have not denounced the people who sent her rape & death threats. I understand that we need to understand where everyone is coming from and get down into the mud, as you put it, but I'm still really disturbed and sad that you didn't come out and clearly say that that was wrong. Because regardless of your political views, surely you don't think that that was right. Because that is heading into a dangerous territory of 'rape apologist'. I like you as a person Jeff, and I really don't want to think of you that way. :(
and this:
Before I can respect your point-of-view you better distance yourselves pretty darn quickly (and clearly) from those people or I'm turning on the mute button (this is why I'm so upset by the way Professor Jeff handled it).
This is exactly what I was addressing in my previous comment. Of course, I'm not a 'rape apologist'. I'm not a fan of any violence against anyone based on what they believe. Unfortunately, with these two comments you've asked me to essentially denounce anyone who disagrees with Ms. Sarkeesian in a violent or vulgar manner. You've also framed the conversation so that by not specifically denouncing and dismissing these people, I'm somehow in favor of violence against women. I think that's ridiculous and it is precisely what I was asking people to not do. Before I get going, let's get one thing straight. You can disagree with someone's opinon or the way that they conduct themselves without 'denouncing' them.
It would be the easiest thing in the world to call everyone who ever said a dirty, threatening, violent, or vulgar thing a shitbag not worth consideration. Unfortunately, when you don't take the time to understand why a person is angry, you're not having a debate, you're turning a human being into a stereotype, dismissing their opinion, and booting them out of the conversation. What I'm asking you to do is the hard work of trying to understand what would drive a person to threaten physical harm on another human being. I'm asking that you use that understanding to have a dialogue and not just dismiss a person because they said something deplorable.
Now let's think about something that no one has brought up here. Ms. Sarkeesian has had the comments on her Youtube channel set so that the only visible comments had to be approved by her before they could be seen. If this is the case, she has probably had death threats, threats against her physical person, and other demeaning, degrading, and vulgar sentiments thrown at her before. Do you honestly believe that the Tropes vs Women in Video Games comments were the first time that anyone had ever sent her anything of that ilk? Of course not. Of course she knew that there were hateful and pissed off people on the internet who had a bone to pick with her.
It is the easiest thing in the world to look at something that you don't like, say 'fuck that shit', and then proceed to hate it without a second thought. It would be easy for me to decide that I don't like Ms. Sarkeesian's tone and say 'fuck her' and never think about it again. That doesn't do anyone any good. If you dismiss everyone who disagrees with you, then you're just going to foster an attitude of frustration from those that feel as if they have no voice. It is precisely the thing that Ms. Sarkeesian is asking people to not do to women. I understand that it's difficult. I understand that it's not pretty, but if you shut people out, they'll fight forever to be heard.
February 13, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Damocles said ...
@ Lady Stark,
I think we may not see eye to eye on this, but appreciate you not refering to me as a monster as some seem to think I am.
People can be tricked easily, when hate is involved men especially become enraged and attack with more violent based hate. It's not sexist against men, its sadly just a fact (inherient in the gene's). You seem to think that I am advocating violence against somebody, I am not. When you assult something people hold dearly people become passionate and then hate speach comes into play. There are instances where AS has spewed hate speach towards the male population.
Once again however my original point was if you attack a group can you expect them to attack back. Now threats of rape and whatnot should not be tolerated, that is why we have laws in place to deal with this. I have been a spill listener for many years and love the site, I think it's a strong community, but I also think if somebody doesn't like your comment then it become open season for personal attacks ( I don't agree with this).
This is a hot button issue, I still want to hear what people want. People are just people, but men and women want different things, that's what makes us great. You cannot expect everything to be unisex, to me that does not make a whole lot of sense. Do you think people who make (please forgive the stereotypical example) purses have men in mind when they make them. I realize there is an disproportionate level of representation in gaming, it's fine to complain about it but unless you say what you want to see I can't see how that will change.
Just saying treat us as equals does not help, afterall you are still allowing somebody else to determine what that means. I think the big solution is to communicate and be frank about things; I would love to see a strong female lead character in a game, but my idea of a strong female lead my not be your idea. Anyway sorry if I offended you or Damein (please keep the hyperbolic language under control). I do play the devil advocate from time to time when I see a arguement being with treated as though the intent was malicious.
By the way, my idea of a strong female lead is Elania (sp?) from Uncharted (even though she does have her damsel in distress moments); now you may disagree and that is why you should speak up and say what you want to see.
February 13, 2013 at 2:28 AM, The Real Scar Face said ...
@ Damocles
I will agree with you on that. But hate speach is just that Hate. When people want to be hateful the most common way men express that hate is through threats of violence.
That’s pretty sexist towards men, in my opinion. Aren’t you doing the same thing you are accusing AS of doing? Implying all men are inherently one way in this case violent? I have enough respect for men to think they can control themselves and not resort to treats and violence.
The most common way a women expresses hate speech is by calling men pussies, or weaklings (or pedophiles and rapists in this case),
She never used hate speech. Just because you disagree and she can be condescending does make it hate speech.
I cannot condone violence, however these threats where made to be as hurtful to her as her speach was to them.
That’s fucked up. Sorry it is. I will never believe men could be that childish. Do you not realize how badly you are stereotyping against your own gender here?
I wish we could all sit down and have intelligent discourse, but sadly most people are like Damien, and the second you say "Hey you got hate speach back from your hate speach" they appearently call you a rapist and some sort of vile human being.
That’s not what Damien said AT ALL.
All AS wants is trick you into assulting her so she can use it for fuel to show how violence and evil men are;
Wow, are men so weak minded that they can be “tricked” into assaulting women? Do you even realize what you are saying here? Also, will the myth that women want to be hit, please die already?
and how the game industry is filled with intentionally hurtful things for women.
Intent vs Impact. Just because the game industry doesn’t intentionally mean to hurt women, doesn’t change it when they do. That’s her point.
February 13, 2013 at 2:00 AM, The Real Scar Face said ...
Wow, Damocles I was feeling you until your last couple of posts. I’m tempted to just let this go, because it’s clear we’ll never agree. But I’m bored so hey…
Thank you for the video (I find it her touch rasist), while I understand what she is staying it still leaves the situation the same
Racist? How so? Completely shocked by that one.
It is obvious that the average game writer seems to be unable to pick up what exactly people are looking for (the groups in question) I personally have no idea even with watching her video. Video games just don't take the time to go into the naunces of individual races.
Video games don’t have to into the “nuances of individual races,” They just shouldn’t resort to stereotypes and objectification. No media should, but they all do.
I am happily married (for almost 8 years) but if somebody asked me to write a story from the wifes perspective I would be screwed. Just as if I asked her to write about me she would not have a clue; unless we talk this out and explain what we want to see, I just don't see this happening.
Well are you a professional writer? Is she? Don’t hold a professional writer to your limitations. If a male writer can't write a well rounded female character, I don’t think he’s sexist; I just think he’s a shitty writer in that area. Same with female writers who can’t write men. Or people who can’t write outside of their race without resorting to stereotypes. However, the real problem is that most writers don’t even try to expand in this area, because they see no reason why they should.
Trust me very few video games go into what it means to be a white male, the character we play are usually the stereotypical mahco super male. How often have you played a game where they main character stops half way though and goes into all the social issues that white males must deal with (trust me there are more then you think).
You are missing the point. Again video games do not have to go into social issues or race/gender/etc and you are making a false equivalency. The stereotypical macho male is only a stereotype/trope because it’s overrepresented in video games and other media. It doesn’t hurt white men on a Systemic level, because it largely plays into fantasy, and they are not based on a negative historical context the way the stereotypes of women, gays, and minority groups are.
While we are all human beings we are all different;
Yeah, that’s why it’s so fucked up that mostly only straight white males are being represented and in movies/tv mostly on their stories are being told. And we are not that different that we can’t put ourselves in someone else shoes and try to understand their POV/experience. Has Spill taught you nothing?
However if she creates any male characters that the average non-super male feels stereotypes them, or doesn't accurately represent them she should expect the same critisim.
Of course. No one is immune from criticism. Ever. However, again it’s a false equivalency to compare how men are portrayed in games to how women and other underrepresented groups are.
So all I can ask is that instead of attacking saying "You just don't understand us, why are you being so sexist" say "hey, maybe you should re-think this, I would like to see this sort of thing instead". I would like to keep this converstation going but I don't think I am conveying my thoughts correctly
In my opinion she did that even if I didn’t always agree with her. Obviously you disagree with that, so let’s just move on.
Is there nothing that can be just for guys, or boys? I am pretty sure that are a significant number of toys and films that are geared towards women.
I find anything being geared to one gender very problematic (especially as not everyone falls into a “boy” or “girl” category, but another topic all together). Boys and girls should be encouraged to pursue their interests, regardless of what is considered by society to be traditional masculine or feminine. The bottom line there is nothing about legos that is inherently masculine, just like there is nothing inherently feminine about easy bake ovens.
Iam fairly sure that toy makers don't sit in a boardroom and say "Mwhahaha how can we undermine little girls and women so they feel like weaker and undervalued person".
I don’t think most people do that either. However, some racism and sexism is systematic, meaning it’s so normal we don’t even realize it’s there. That’s why I think it’s important to think critically about these type of things.
when you put a stack of toys infront of kids and boys gravitate toward one set of toys and women towards another that does not mean the toys are sexist it means that... get ready for it.... men and women are DIFFERENT.
Yeah, but how about when a boy gravitates to a doll and daddy says he can’t play with it because it’s for girls and he won’t raise a pussy? Or how about when a girl wants to play superhero but her mom won’t let her, because girls should be quiet? I’ve worked with boys and girls. The fact is kids will play with anything if you let them. It’s not until they start picking up on "pink is for girls and blue is for boys" that they care. Society is what teaches them that.
When men complained that Twilight was a form of misandry everyone told them to shut up, your being babies.
Okay, this is where I’m like WTF? Most feminists hate Twilight. I think it’s fine if it’s a guilty pleasure, but it’s anti-women as hell.
Getting back to AS, she deserved everything she got (acutally she deserved alot more)
You’ve come across as a pretty smart guy up until now, so I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn’t know that what she “got” was thousands of rape and death threats, and someone posting her address online. So I'll just drop this here...
All men are pedofiles and rapists in her opinion; she manipulated facts, under represented evidence to make a point in order to lambast all male gamers
Wow. She never said all men are pedophiles and rapists. Geez, people say she over reaches, but you are over reaching her message and projecting a lot here. All she said is youth is fetishized too much—it is. She said women in Japan are getting raped on public transportation—they were. That doesn’t mean she thinks all men are like that, but sorry we live in a rape culture (look it up) and most rape is committed by men regardless of the gender of the victim. It’s a serious issue, and it won’t get any better if men get defensive every time it’s brought up.
Personally I had never heard of her until this show; now that it has been brought to my attention I am fairly angry at the double standard.
What double standard?
February 13, 2013 at 12:58 AM, said ...
I kinda agree with you were these kinds of threats are just made to be hurtful...but can you really take a chance? If someone is mad enough or crazy enough, they are going to take action. I'm tired of all these shooting deaths that occurs in this country.
February 13, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Damocles said ...
@ Superbadmike
Careful according to Damien you are now a rapist misogynist. You have to agree with her, and the fact you want to slap her for saying such rude and horrible stuff makes you a monster.
As for intelligent discourse, that will be tricky; she has no desire for it, nor does she seek a solution. All AS wants is trick you into assulting her so she can use it for fuel to show how violence and evil men are; and how the game industry is filled with intentionally hurtful things for women.
February 13, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Damocles said ...
@ Zentraedi77
I will agree with you on that. But hate speach is just that Hate. When people want to be hateful the most common way men express that hate is through threats of violence. The most common way a women expresses hate speach is by calling men pussies, or weaklings (or pedophiles and rapists in this case), I cannot condone violence, however these threats where made to be as hurtful to her as her speach was to them.
I wish we could all sit down and have intelligent discourse, but sadly most people are like Damien, and the second you say "Hey you got hate speach back from your hate speach" they appearently call you a rapist and some sort of vile human being. I at times become very passionate and while I would never threaten somebody ( I am a little too damn old for that crap), I have no sympathy for somebody who goes on the attack first then finds out the return assault is significantly harsher then expected.
February 13, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Michael Giustini said ...
Ya, I watched like 10 minutes of that feminists chick on Youtube and had to resist the urge to reach into my screen and slap her. Every word that came out of her mouth was extremist stupidity. I didn't look like she was offering a critical point of view, no she was blatantly insulting all those who disagreed with her. Fuck her, when someone reasonable wants to talk about these issues and open a dialogue about it, then I will be willing to listen.
February 13, 2013 at 12:27 AM, said ...
I understand where you are coming from. Hate speech only begets hate speech. But there are some people who are willing to take it to the next level. For an example, when somebody is talking shit to me I either talk back or walk away. I won't go further than that. When I read your comment she deserved everything she got (acutally she deserved alot more) that worry me. Since reading your response your not that type of person. If AS wants to fill her time doing this then the burden is on her but I don't believe that she should be threaten physical harm in anyway.
February 13, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Damocles said ...
@ Damien
What's next you think I am misogynist, so your going to kill me. How dare you threaten to murder me for my opinion; I cannot believe you would threat to chop me into little bits because I think a person deserved hate speach. Wow I never threated with phycially violence and now you are going to hunt me down and kill me.
See what I did there; it's called reading what is not there, and blowing it out of proportion. While I understand you seem to want to be hyperbolic and somehow say I have some deep dark true colors that are that of a rapist I am not. I am a normal guy who thinks if you act like a complete A-hole and slander millions of people then don't get upset when a few fight back.
February 12, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Damocles said ...
Whoa whoa, I never said she should be threated with rape or physically raped. I didn't realize you people cannot read. I said hate speach only begets hate speach. She didn't get half as much hate speach as she spewed. Let's look at the over all total amount of hate speach shall we.
She basically tossed hate speach at 100,000,000+ people. She might as well have sent 100,000,000 people hate comments; to be called a pedophile is just as bad if not worse then being called a rapist. She slandered all of these people saying they are pedophiles and perverts. Sorry if I don't feel bad if she get's some hatemail.
February 12, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Damocles said ...
Thank you for blowing it out of proportion. Obviously there is no point in talking to a person like you. Yes she deserves to get bombarded with hateful comments; because that is the game she started. If somebody rapes another human being that is beyond horrible. I would never condone the physical harm of one person to another. I am glad you desided to demonize me to make yourself feel better. I weep for humanity of people like you are taken seriously.
If I don't agree with her I am a misogynist? If I say it's only fair that is she is going to throws hate speach at people it's ok that they use hate speach back at her that makes me a rape appologist. You are not very bright are you?
My true colors are I am sick and tired of people playing the victim to get what they want; they make an attack and when they get attacked back they run and cry saying they where singled out and picked on. You start a fight with an entire gender don't be supprised when they collectivly strike back.
February 12, 2013 at 11:48 PM, said ...
I disagree with Damocles. I don't think she deserves to be threaten with rape just because she has a negative viewpoint.
February 12, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Damocles said ...
Professor Jeff handled the situation in a way in which he percieved it. I agree with much of what he says in his regard to how she is huckster. She approches everything from a victims perspective, everything is an attack on female culture, and an attack on women in general. He series on LEGO was aweful and fill with inaccuraces; and does it really matter is something is geared towards boys? Is there nothing that can be just for guys, or boys? I am pretty sure that are a significant number of toys and films that are geared towards women.
I am fairly sure that toy makers don't sit in a boardroom and say "Mwhahaha how can we undermine little girls and women so they feel like weaker and undervalued person". No, things are driven by profits, when you put a stack of toys infront of kids and boys gravitate toward one set of toys and women towards another that does not mean the toys are sexist it means that... get ready for it.... men and women are DIFFERENT. We like different things, we want different things. When men complained that Twilight was a form of misandry everyone told them to shut up, your being babies. Everyone needs to keep their cards a little closer to the chest; relax just because something bothers you, it doesn't mean you have to destroy it.
Getting back to AS, she deserved everything she got (acutally she deserved alot more) because she layed attacks against not just a small group of people but an entire sex. All men are pedofiles and rapists in her opinion; she manipulated facts, under represented evidence to make a point in order to lambast all male gamers. Personally I had never heard of her until this show; now that it has been brought to my attention I am fairly angry at the double standard.
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